Want changes? Where is CAWF executive?

[Mr. Espey]

All of these proposed changes are exciting, but let's not forget we still have the same leadership that have voted against some of these initiatives in the past and most certainly will again. Now either by mass exodus or by being defeated in an election we will need new people within the CAWF executive to make any sort of changes. Just a reality check that some of you who want this will need to step up and run for positions. Most of the current positions are elected by acclimation every time (only 1 person accepting a nomination). Before you jump the gun and say "Hey I will do it" do some research and find out what you are getting yourself into, then if you decide to do it make sure you are committed and have thick skin.

[Mr. Espey]

This also goes for Provincial Presidents... if you have never known yours to make their voice heard then consider running. It is the only forum where "just an armwrestler" gets a vote under the current democratic process.

[Eric Roussin]

While it is true that similar proposals were voted down in the past, I do have a bit more hope this time around, especially considering both Rick and Joey are expressing support for change on this message board. The reality is that if CAWF Nationals are to continue to occur much longer, significant changes will have to happen.

[Mr. Espey]

I agree with your last sentence Eric. One of my issues is the willingness to change now that a Canadian is not at the top of WAF anymore. Previous to this it seemed like we would only do what WAF did. Why the change? Perhaps Joey and Rick can answer this and also give us an idea where the rest of the executive stands on all the proposed changes. There is no need for us all to get our hopes up and wait for a vote, it they are willing to communicate openly about it.

So I ask, if Fred and Lise had to vote tomorrow on these two proposals what would they vote:
Reduction in weight classes based on the online poll?
Changing the National format to triple elimination?

[joey costello]

I believe the answer is in your post Ryan.
When Fred was at the top of the WAF executive it was harder to make changes at the CAWF level because we felt the need to follow WAF.
I can't speak for the rest of the exec but I feel that changes made now under these circumstances will have more concentrated value on what is best for Canada and Canada alone.
There is a lot of talk in the exec about these proposed changes, most of it positive.
At one time most WAF decisions were made at the CAWF level, and WAF followed.

I think that if CAWF starts making changes the rest of the world will soon follow as they have done before.
I believe it is time for change, the problem is will our constitution allow it?

[Windover]

You really believe that Joey? Do you honestly think the current WAF exec gives a rats pootootey what CAWF does at this point? I have been a part of this board for almost 7 years and cannot think of one post from our current prez. Does he even read it? This is not a personal knock. No I dont want the job. But for the love of god why do execs not follow the thoughts of the armwrestlers when it is so black and white. We can do whatever we want as long as we pay our fees to WAF. It might as well be called the EAF as its current running is exactly that.
IMO this format of PROV, NATS, WORLDS is dying. Sorry if some dont want to hear it but in its current state you will find less and less interest. Newer formats are drawing attention and unless change is made it will be the same people that will be drawn to the current format. I have read about weight classes, cutting of weight classes, changing to triple elim and in my opinion it is simple to at least TRY it. If it doesnt work, change it again. I am tired of simple things being complicated. If someone doesnt like it. Voice it. If you are silent, thats your vote, (you dont care)!
Why in this day and age with communication made easier and easier our execs both National and Provincial are so silent and seemingly uninterested is beyond me! And if our execs are not doing what the ARM WRESTLERS want done, then guess what! Vote them out? If no one wants to run? That sucks. I would love to see Eric in as Prez of the CAWF. I never can remember a question that was asked when he was OAA prez that went more than 24 hours without and explanation. Didnt agree with them all but at least he was current and attentive!
RANT OVER!

[Jay Riehle]

I'm with Guy on this one. We want action!!!

[Mr. Espey]

Joey the constitution can be changed as easily as any other document. The CAWF has the power to do so.

I hope you are right... but I still have not received an answer to my questions.

So I ask, if Fred and Lise had to vote tomorrow on these two proposals what would they vote:
Reduction in weight classes based on the online poll?
Changing the National format to triple elimination?

Based on those answers I think the armwrestlers should make their voices heard at the Provincial level as to who they want their Provincial President to support.

Guy is right, give it a try and if it does not work then change it back. Even if we just started with less classes as it would be hard to gauge the success of both if implemented at the same time.

[Andrew Grant]

Reducing the number of classes (making each class larger) will result in about 12-15% more matches per person on average. Moving to triple elimination would result in about 50% more matches per person in attendance on average versus double elimination. Making both changes would result in ~70% more matches with the proposed format versus the current one.

[Jeff Miller]

Good point Andrew. It's probably even higher percentage, since just the triple elimination will increase the minimum number of matches to 150% (50% increase) + the percentage you calculated for the average increase in number of matches within the tournament. That means the time for the tournament will take AT LEAST 50% longer to finish, given the same number of competitors and same number of refs and tables.