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Post by PinArm on Jun 6, 2014 11:14:11 GMT -5
We voted at the CAWF AGM years ago to allow the use of "READY ... GO" or "DON'T MOVE ... GO" throughout any given tournament.
In Alberta, the rules require the use of "DON'T MOVE ... GO" with a variable pause such that the competitors can not anticipate the GO. The one complaint about this system is that it requires the competitors to be in the start position for a long time without moving and that that is difficult to do as the competitors start to wobble or vibrate.
If there is just a GO, then that complaint is eliminated. Another benefit of just GO is that refs can't then fall into the same situation as they have with the READY. Originally, READY GO was READY ... pause ... GO, but now it is more like ReaGO at many tournaments. Next, might be DON'T MOVEGO, and we are back to where we are now.
We have an opportunity to use they rule we have (which permits the use of DON'T MOVE) or to copy the Alberta Rule (which mandates the use of DON'T MOVE), or (for that matter) to change the rule to be such that only READY GO can be used. However, we also have an opportunity to truly make it difficult for competitors to false start.
When a ref is talking (saying READY ... or DON'T MOVE) and moving their hands and body away, it is harder to tell if someone has false started. It is easier to tell if there has been a false start if there is just a silent pause and then a crisp GO.
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Post by PinArm on Jun 6, 2014 11:28:44 GMT -5
"Ready" has always meant that (i) the grip is good, (ii) any movement now will be a false start, and (iii) the next word will be GO. However, it has also, for some, meant it is time to hit.
With "Don't move", it will mean the same as "Ready".
I fully expect that using DON'T MOVE might help for a tournament or two as it is something new and it might help the ref put in a pause, but the only real factor that will help reduce false starts is the variable pause before the GO regardless of READY or DON'T MOVE or FREEZE or nothing being said.
We have seen what happened with the Ready. I don't need to try DON'T MOVE for a few years to see that eventually refs will slur that with the GO as they have done with the Ready. Perhaps, once we realized that that is what's happening, the ref's could say FREEZE ... GO, and once that get's slurred, then we can come up with something else to say.
It is great to see competitors hit at the same time (and the most explosive competitor have the best hit) instead of one going earlier than the other causing one to hit and one to catch. The best way to do this is to have just GO.
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Post by Rick Pinkney on Jun 6, 2014 17:30:11 GMT -5
I am warming up to this idea. However, how will it affect everyone when they go to other tournaments?
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Post by Rick Pinkney on Jun 6, 2014 17:42:21 GMT -5
I would like to try it for a while to see how it works,
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Post by Pat Rehill on Jun 6, 2014 22:25:36 GMT -5
Ready Go works fine…what are we doing looking for things to change? This is not a necessary change and there is no benefit to it… Making changes that will make our sport more appealing and help with the flow of a tournament I understand.
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Post by leonard on Jun 6, 2014 22:26:47 GMT -5
One thing that does happen with the simple "GO" is the emergence of lip readers. It is the only way to get a good jump on the start.
The lips will move before the sound is out and you get a good start.
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Post by Jeff Miller on Jun 7, 2014 17:00:23 GMT -5
Hi Pat..long time no see! I think there could be a benefit to this change - less cheating. Anticipating go by hitting on the end of ready as refs slur them together ruins matches, and I think this could help fix that. Yes I agree changes to help flow of tournament would be welcome if it speeds things up/makes more fun to watch would be good.
If I had a vote, it'd be to try the "GO" idea for sure.
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Post by Jeff Miller on Jun 7, 2014 17:04:09 GMT -5
That just means that the next iteration will either be a light, or audio signal, or a simultaneous light/buzzer to fix that part of the problem.
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Post by leonard on Jun 8, 2014 22:50:02 GMT -5
That just means that the next iteration will either be a light, or audio signal, or a simultaneous light/buzzer to fix that part of the problem. That has been tried also and was a dismal failure. A. your trying to fix something that is unfixable B. Everything your trying or going to try has been done. C. What man changes, man finds a way around it. Or women as the case maybe. D. In fixing one so called problem, you create at least one new one. |
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Post by PinArm on Jun 9, 2014 13:00:21 GMT -5
Hi Leonard,
I want to comment on your alphabetically bulleted points:
a. I am assuming that we are all on the same page in that it is FALSE STARTING that we are trying to fix. I don't think that it is unfixable. Other sports such as swimming and track have fixed it. Perhaps we have technological and funding challenges that those other sports don't face; however, we can still work together to address this common issue and attempt solutions that are within our technological and funding limits.
b. Leonard, come on man, "everything" you are "going to try has been done"? Firstly, who is YOU? Jeff Miller? Canada? All individual Canadians? All individual armwrestlers in the world? I don't think that any human can say that forever in time all of humanity will not think of a solution to false starting in armwrestling.
I would love to hear about the light and audible signal (like track races) being used. In what ways were those start methodologies dismal failures? Are there videos so that I can see what was going on? I mean this seriously and sincerely, I know that on the web, that is sometimes not the case.
c and d. If lip reading is an example of a new problem or a "way around" a fair start, then I ask what difference it makes. Competitors can read lips right now to determine when the GO is coming.
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