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Post by John Milne on Jul 10, 2013 20:25:47 GMT -5
If we want armwrestling to go in the direction of a legitimate spectator sport, running fouls are a must. There's nothing worse for a casual observer to have a match decided on fouls with neither competitor is near the pin line. It's important to have the validity of a pin to finalize the match, especially for those outside of the armwrestling realm that are watching. I agree with this. I think anything that improves our sport from a spectator standpoint should be at least looked into. I think this would be a good change for some events. I don't think it's viable for Provincial or National awing yet because WAF rules need to be applied but Pro events would see good results from this (imo). |
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Post by dankadlec on Jul 10, 2013 22:26:10 GMT -5
How about ppl just learn how to arm wrestle with their elbows planted on the table?  |
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Post by Jeff Miller on Jul 11, 2013 16:05:12 GMT -5
Wouldn't miss this BS! Makes me like running fouls now.
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Post by Rick Pinkney on Jul 13, 2013 4:50:58 GMT -5
Every sport gives you a "way out" when you get in trouble. In hockey you can ice the puck; football the QB throws the football away( just has to make it look good). I admit it doesn't look good but a good announcer can explain to the crowd why the person did it. And if you're the better armwrestler, you should still win.
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Post by Jeff Miller on Jul 14, 2013 0:24:15 GMT -5
Good point Rick. Takes some skill to bail w an elbow foul too.
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Post by Andrew Grant on Jul 14, 2013 8:49:40 GMT -5
That rule needs to change. Running fouls is the way to go, but at the very least, any intentional foul once the match begins should earn you a loss not a restart. Two thirds down doesn't properly define a winning position because hand control isn't considered. The rules should not allow bad sportsmanship to be good strategy.
If two arm wrestlers are very close, the one willing to make the intentional foul becomes a better arm wrestler than the one who isn't willing to take that route.
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Post by Jeff Miller on Jul 14, 2013 11:34:01 GMT -5
I think the foul system generally has problems too, because I've guys in bad spots, then "FOUL!" (me or my opponent), restart and my opponent gets the jump next time and wins... almost would have rather been let pin the guy once at least to either win or get a restart w/ a psychological advantage.
Other times, I've been smashed at the start (happened to me more as a novice) and get the re-start because MY elbow popped. I didn't want that because it was not earned, but of course I'd take the opportunity to try again.
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Post by Mr. Espey on Jul 14, 2013 13:13:46 GMT -5
Having experienced both... the running foul is the way to go.
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Post by joey costello on Jul 14, 2013 18:35:56 GMT -5
From the spectator stand point, what is the difference between a match being stopped because of an elbow foul and restarted or seeing someone pin another guy but have the match restarted because there was an elbow foul sometime during the match that the crowd didn't see.
Both would be confusing for the spectator.
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Post by joey costello on Jul 15, 2013 10:43:12 GMT -5
If we want armwrestling to go in the direction of a legitimate spectator sport, running fouls are a must. There's nothing worse for a casual observer to have a match decided on fouls with neither competitor is near the pin line. It's important to have the validity of a pin to finalize the match, especially for those outside of the armwrestling realm that are watching. I agree with this. I think anything that improves our sport from a spectator standpoint should be at least looked into. I think this would be a good change for some events. I don't think it's viable for Provincial or National awing yet because WAF rules need to be applied but Pro events would see good results from this (imo). Would 2 running fouls still be a loss. EG. Jeff has me close to the pin line but gets a running foul and then pins me. We restart the match and the same thing happens again.. Does he lose the match? How do you explain that to the crowd? |
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