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Post by cpshuffle on Jul 3, 2013 14:37:32 GMT -5
I'm sure this has been discussed at some point before, but I recently learned about the "running fouls" format.
I find this intriguing not just from a puller's perspective, but also from a spectator's perspective.
Any thoughts on the pros and cons?
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Post by John Milne on Jul 3, 2013 20:51:38 GMT -5
I love it from both perspectives. It's difficult to get used to as a ref at first.
IMO, it's better for anyone watching.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Jul 3, 2013 20:56:31 GMT -5
I like how it limits the use of the "strategic" elbow foul (i.e. when you purposefully take an elbow foul to get a restart, when you feel like you're about to lose the match).
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Post by cpshuffle on Jul 4, 2013 11:05:21 GMT -5
In terms of reffing, Does the ref let the competitor know that they elbow fouled or does the ref wait until after to tell the competitor?
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Post by John Milne on Jul 5, 2013 16:24:12 GMT -5
In terms of reffing, Does the ref let the competitor know that they elbow fouled or does the ref wait until after to tell the competitor? Ref will notify that there is a Running Foul. The competitor will know. |
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Post by Terry Palaschak on Jul 5, 2013 23:24:40 GMT -5
I have reffed and competed with both types and I must admit for the spectator the running foul is better. It lets matches have more flow to them and it makes for a better show. As far as reffing the matches go you have to use your descretion as to wether an advantage was gained with a "minor" foul. All you have to do is watch the challenge matches from West Edm. Mall last year. Each one of the matches especially the longer ones had easily 4-5 elbow fouls committed by both pullers but their elbows only came off the pad a fraction of an inch but by allowing them to continue it made for a hellova show for everyone. My perspective from competing with the running fouls is that once you get used to them you can use them to your advantage however so can your oppenent.
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Post by Jeff Miller on Jul 5, 2013 23:50:24 GMT -5
As long as the competitor gets a foul if leaving their elbow off the pad for too long, I like this.
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Post by cpshuffle on Jul 8, 2013 14:19:54 GMT -5
I have reffed and competed with both types and I must admit for the spectator the running foul is better. It lets matches have more flow to them and it makes for a better show. As far as reffing the matches go you have to use your descretion as to wether an advantage was gained with a "minor" foul. All you have to do is watch the challenge matches from West Edm. Mall last year. Each one of the matches especially the longer ones had easily 4-5 elbow fouls committed by both pullers but their elbows only came off the pad a fraction of an inch but by allowing them to continue it made for a hellova show for everyone. My perspective from competing with the running fouls is that once you get used to them you can use them to your advantage however so can your oppenent. The way it was explained to me was that if your elbow comes of the pad and it is minor enough to continue the match, you have to pin your opponent to get a re-start. If your opponent pins you then you lose the match. How do you think someone could use that to his/her advantage? |
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Post by John Milne on Jul 10, 2013 11:54:51 GMT -5
I think advantages can be taken from any reffing style. Most frequent is the elbow foul to save yourself from losing and getting a restart (in the standard format).
I'm not saying 100% that running fouls are better or that there are not holes in it, I just prefer them a lot more to traditional reffing rules.
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Post by mharrison on Jul 10, 2013 20:15:44 GMT -5
If we want armwrestling to go in the direction of a legitimate spectator sport, running fouls are a must. There's nothing worse for a casual observer to have a match decided on fouls with neither competitor is near the pin line. It's important to have the validity of a pin to finalize the match, especially for those outside of the armwrestling realm that are watching.
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