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Post by jghmesa on Apr 25, 2006 10:06:13 GMT -5
Hi Ryan: To answer your question as best I can... 1) Hold an EZ curl bar on the outer grip as if you were going to do standing biceps curls. 2) Bent your upper body forward somewhere between 45 to 60 degree angle 3) Bring the bar straight up so the palms of your hands touch your upper chest and your elbows would extend past your back. So your curling but also rowing at the same time. M. Todd stated he's done 340# for one rep and several reps with 300...JGH
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Post by Mr. Espey on Apr 25, 2006 12:13:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation. So basically you could do this with seated cable rows as long as you were using a reverse grip and bringing the bar to your lower chest? Interesting movement... I may give it a try when I can lift with arms again.
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Post by jghmesa on Apr 26, 2006 1:19:14 GMT -5
correct...
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Post by christianbinnie on Apr 26, 2006 12:30:01 GMT -5
Thats called a reverse grip bent over row ( for back, IF done correctly). ALL rowing movements OBVIOUSLY causes elbow flexon.
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Post by Mr. Espey on Apr 26, 2006 20:46:14 GMT -5
... more for biceps if done INCORRECTLY I suppose...
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Post by christianbinnie on Apr 27, 2006 10:40:33 GMT -5
IF you are doing any type of rowing you are using your "lower' pecs UNTIL your upper arm goes BEYOND your back, THEN you are using your Lats...The whole time you ARE flexing the elbows, so your elbow flexors (biceps being one) do contract. Whether there is sufficient load to the muscle (elbow flexors) to "BUILD" that muscle thats different.
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Post by austinslater on Apr 27, 2006 22:43:48 GMT -5
I dont understand how the pecs are firing when rowing. This seems to go against the action of the pectoralis muscles to draw the arms towards each other and any type of pressing motion. In my opinion the row hits the lats and biceps.
I think the movement That Is being talked about is somewhat like a barbell concentration curl/row combo and I think it could actually hit the biceps fairly well. In my opinion the biceps respond best with heavy weights and this movement definitely fits the bill. This is also why heavy chins, pullups, rows and heavy curls hit the bicep well. Just my 2 cents. . .
Austin
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Post by Brian Kehler on Apr 28, 2006 8:40:25 GMT -5
the lower fibres of pec major, as well as some pec minor do come into play to a degree, but only from a flexed position of the shoulder returning to neutral. At less than 90 degrees they come into play less
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Post by christianbinnie on Apr 28, 2006 13:24:51 GMT -5
Austin: O.k here are the attachments AND actions of the pectoralis major and latissimus dorsi.
Pec major:
Attachments are: Medial clavicle, sternum, costal cartilages 1-7 TO the lateral lip of the bicipital groove of the humerus (upper arm bone).
Major Actions: Adduction of the shoulder, Medial rotation of the shoulder, Flexion of the shoulder ( clavicle portion).
Assisting Actions: Extension of the shoulder (IF the shoulder joint is flexed- lower fibers), Abduction of the shoulder (IF the shoulder is abducted greater than 110 degrees), Horizontal adduction of the shoulder.
Latissimus Dorsi:
Attachments: The spinus processes ot the T7-L5, posterior sacrum, illiac crest, ribs 9-12 and the inferior angle of the scapula TO the medial lip of the bicpital groove of the humerus
Major Actions: Extension of the shoulder, adduction of the shoulder, medial rotation of the shoulder.
Assisting Actions: Depression of the scapula, elevation of the pelvis.
NOW
Your shoulder joint is FLEXED when your arm goes straight out and bringing it upwards.
Your shoulder joint is EXTENDED when you bring your arm backwards and upward.
So if your arm is FLEXED and you bring it down, or up if doing bent over rows, to your side its LOWER PECS. Once it goes beyond your side (backwards) its LATS.
Thats why you DON'T use your lats when pulling.
Why do they "feel" like they are working? Because you are "tightening" them and also its the antagonistic muscles of the Pecs.
Kehler? Anything to add?
OH BTW: Have BENT OVER ROWED, off a block at 45 degree angle, 455lbs STRICT for a double... A VERY LONG time ago.....LOL...Biceps NEVER got pumped......:-)....
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Post by austinslater on Apr 28, 2006 15:45:34 GMT -5
Thanks guys appreciate the info. One quick question though, when it talks about the shoulder being flexed, isnt this an extension of the shoulder? Wouldnt this come into play only in a pressing type movement? I always thought depression of the shoulder is whats occuring when doing a rowing type movement. Again not disagreeing with you guys, just trying to learn. Thanks for taking the time to answer a couple of questions. This is news to me though, as I had no idea upper body pulling motions hit the lower fibers of the chest . . .
Austin
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