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Post by tim (THE PUNISHER) Aubin on Jul 28, 2007 21:54:21 GMT -5
Ok, just out of curiosity, How can you train to take a massive hit, yet alone give one at the same time? and can I say ouch to anyone who knows what I'm talking about I find that if I hit just a bit, it sends a little shock impulse to my arms, what kind of training would i have to do to prevent this? I've done plyometrics and pretty much anything you can think of at the gym, but it is simply not efficient enough to make it go away. I'm thinking maybe to much side presure! I don't know
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Post by Curtis "Smash" Klashinsky on Jul 28, 2007 22:24:23 GMT -5
Tim, I've found what helps me with this is to concentrate on keeping my knuckles high and hit straight back. Then You don't get the same side pressure pain and you are still giving your own hit. Give it a shot.
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Post by tim (THE PUNISHER) Aubin on Jul 29, 2007 0:34:25 GMT -5
That would be using strictly your biceps wouldn't it? Leaving you in a defensive position, thus whoever has the stronger biceps would win. I can do this but I'd probably loose considering my bicep strength. My triceps are my stronger points, can i incorporate that in any way off the hit ?
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Post by Curtis "Smash" Klashinsky on Jul 29, 2007 8:08:42 GMT -5
When I hit backwards I use a lot of everything. I would say I use mostly shoulder and Lat muscles and wrist to keep my fingers high.
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Post by tim (THE PUNISHER) Aubin on Jul 29, 2007 19:58:02 GMT -5
Thanks, I'll give it a shot.
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Post by Mr. Espey on Jul 29, 2007 20:10:22 GMT -5
Why not train to hit instead of training to take a hit?
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Post by tim (THE PUNISHER) Aubin on Jul 29, 2007 22:45:25 GMT -5
I can do that if there's no heavy weight resistance at the other end. What if you go to hit with everything you got and the dame thing don't move, ouch. At least if you post yourself for the hit, you would know a little more of what to expect! Ryan to develope tendon strength would you recomend High rep volume circuit training over proper strength training ? I heard that exessive amount of stength training could actually decrease bone density and the sarcolema tissue that connects the muscle tendon tissue to the bone. Another study shows John Brzenk Doing realy high amounts of repetition similar to an elite athlete training for muscle definition ( Sets of 40-80 reps) I'm also afraid that if I do this that I'd be sacrificing muscle strength, which may not be the case. I would just need some other experts advice on this, one with such experience as yourself!
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Post by Mr. Espey on Jul 30, 2007 12:07:51 GMT -5
Tim... I try and do a mix of both alternating armwrestling workouts in the same week one of them being high volume, high rep while the other is more traditional strength training. You need the horsepower in the muscles but you also need the tendon and ligament development. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link. In an "amateur" type situation with armwrestling I would be much more worried about pulling a lanky farm kid than a guy who looks like a bodybuilder because the lanky farm kid most likely has tendons like iron and super strong hands.
I always used 21 reps as the magic number and I think it is because when I was starting out that is the number Dave Patton was using according to an article I read about him somewhere online. I am not sure what John does... but he will tell you that he does not spend a lot of time in the gym or use heavy weights when he is there. He also is noticeably larger in the right arm than the left.
Regarding the hit... Miles Wolko used to tell me "you can't hit a loaded arm". This is not true all the time, but if your opponent is willing to power up with you before the "go" then it sure would take the edge off of his hit. Of course if an opponent heavily favors his hit he may just take a very light grip with you and refuse to load.
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Post by tim (THE PUNISHER) Aubin on Jul 30, 2007 21:47:11 GMT -5
That is some great information Ryan, I realy appreciate the insight or knowledge you have some times or all the times I should say. I spent many years studying human kinetics and biology but experience is what shows and you have it. I can train for a particular phase through periodization, but when it comes to sacrificing a certain aspect of training in the sport of bodybuilding or armwrestling thats when things start getting a little complicated and thus fearing that I can not have the best of both worlds. My problem is that I want to much to soon in the sport, and I know that I got to start building up that patience that also comes along with it. Hopefully all these questions I keep asking you guys will eventually pay off in the end because hey maybe one day our hands will meet and I can..........can greatly appreciate the help you've given me, yes good thing i corrected myself there, ouch I just got one of those painfull feelings in my arm again thinking about it. Peace out!
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Post by Mat Helmer on Oct 31, 2007 19:02:11 GMT -5
Tim. Join me in the quest for 150 pounds for 3 reps - direct side pressure. With the lighter weight sets, I start motionless and "hit" into the weight. As the weight and danger increases, I just do regular controlled reps.
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