Updated Rankings

[Eric Roussin]

Back in the day, 220 was ranked instead of 242. For a short while, both were ranked. Josh Handeland requested to get rid of the 220 when he took over the US rankings duties, because far more events offered 242 than 220. In Ontario, circuit tournaments and Provincials have a 242 class, but the Arm Melters and the MGC run 220 instead.

Whatever is decided, it would be nice if the USA rankings were done with the same classes, to make the NA rankings easier to do. But this isn't a requirement.

[Andrew Grant]

Jul 30, 2013 14:33:10 GMT -5 Jeff Miller said:

I'd rather the rankings went to 220 and 220+. There are too many good 220 lbs pullers to get diluted with the heavier guys.

Not sure about this but one thing to consider:

The 242+ class would be pretty weak in the west, because many the best guys overall guys are in the 225-250 range.

Ryan Espey
Corey Butcha
Mark Harrison
Matt Mask
Tyrrell Wojocichowsky

Seems silly to even have a 242+ class ranking when 90 percent of the top pullers can make it under 242.

A 200+ or a 220+ class might make more sense for us.

[Jeff Miller]

Not sure about this but one thing to consider:

The 242+ class would be pretty weak in the west, because many the best guys overall guys are in the 225-250 range.

Ryan Espey
Corey Butcha
Mark Harrison
Matt Mask
Tyrrell Wojocichowsky

Seems silly to even have a 242+ class ranking when 90 percent of the top pullers can make it under 242.

A 200+ or a 220+ class might make more sense for us.

Good point Andrew. Also, I am probably naive because I'm a "little" guy, but I never felt sorry for guys 240lbs having to face a 300lber. However I do feel a 220 lber is too small to go against a large man like that. I'd be in favor of a 220, and 220+ class in the West for sure.

[Andrew Grant]

Using the 220/220+ system I think the western rankings right handed would look a little something like this.

Class _ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10

220+ _ Matt Mask Ryan Espey Mark Harrison Corey Butcha Chris Beauchmin Perry Rzesnoski John Lovell Tyson Cote Tyler Hayward Kim Korchosky

220 _ Tyrrell Wojocichowsky Andrew Grant Mike Rooney Tom Pacincski Bjorn Torgenson Scott Larouque Gilles Michaud Patrick Callan Steve Kauppi Rob Low

198 _ Del Mudryk Derek Penner Curtis Klashnisky Kayne Hemsing Fraser Benoit Shane Bauch Lorne Roberts Neil Looker Jason Tibok Jeff Miller

176 _ Anthony Dall'Antonia Kelly Leitch Jason Roy Dan Gallo Clayton Faulkaner Todd Stanley Adam Koenig Stephane Heroux Jim Findley Damien Luxon

154 _ Malon Hicks Vern Martel Matt Wiggins Dustin Leitch Gord Squire Nick Penner Kyle Roy Trent Monk Dan Marfei Nathon Jones

This was the criteria i used:

Eligilbility (General)

-pulled in a major tournament in the last 12 months?
or
-pulled in either of the two latest local major tournaments?

Eligilbility (Classes)

-made weight at last major tournament attended?
or
-made weight last time class was offered locally at a major tournament?
or
-made weight at any major tournament since that time?

Major tournaments:


Manitoba Provincials
Red River Extreme - MB
ManSask
Saskatchewan Provincials
FIt ii Fight - SK
Alberta Provincials
Mayhem at the Mall - AB
BC Provincials
Canadian Nationals
Mike Gould Classic
World Championships

Local = 700 km

[Eric Roussin]

Nice list. How do you determine in which class someone is ranked? The way I used to do it is rank someone in the lowest class they typically pull -- usually the class they compete in at the biggest event (Nationals, MGC, etc.). They must have pulled the class at least once in the past 12 months.

[Eric Roussin]

I took a stab at Eastern Rankings using the same weight classes. This is what I've come up with for the right hand:

154
Dan Bellefeuille
Brad Wade
Joel Goodsell
Maksim Khodau
Sylvain Bissonnette
Martin Langlois
Chris Gobby
Rejean Allain
Mario Bolduc
Jonathan Quirt

176
George Iszakouits
Shea Dickie
Nicola Gazzetto
Robert Jacques
Alain Piette
Paul Belluz
Nick Mantas
Al Aubin
Ryan Purdy
Kevin McCoy

198
Allen Ford
Kade Revelstoke
Mark MacPhail
Brian Tamblyn
Jeff Penney
Ralphie Bayers
Denis Dubreuil
Randy Bayers
Jake Charles
Brian Desormeaux

220
John Milne
Eric Roussin
Janek Kwias
Charlie McGeoghegan
Shawn Ross
Alexandre Paquette
Antoine Dubreuil
Jeff Slater
Tom Balfe
Tyler Robinson

221+
Mike Gould
Earl Wilson
Sylvain Perron
Ian Carnegie
Rick Heidebrecht
Joe Gould
Christian Bernard
Rob Graham
Conrad Rousselle
Tom Smith

[Andrew Grant]

Nice job.

Just a few questions/comments about weight:

Has Slater made 220 lately? Didn't he pulled 242 at last four nationals?

Is Ross 220? He pulled 242 at nationals 2013. He made 220 at 2010 Nationals

Kwias pulled 242 at nationals 2013 and didn't make 220 at last arm melter but made 220 at MGC. Is he still close to 220?

Joe Gould made 220 at a Sept. 2012 arm melter, is he still close to 220?

[Eric Roussin]

This is the part that can get tricky. Some pullers fluctuate in weight constantly, so it's hard to know in which class to rank them.

Jeff pulled the 220 at this year's MGC. Although these days he does walk around heavier.

You're probably right about Shawn. He should be ranked in the 221+.

I'm pretty sure Janek walks around at about 235.

I believe Joe is closer to 240 these days.


Regarding the Western lists, I'm surprised to see in which class you put a couple of guys. Don't Tyrrell and Mark H typically pull 220?

[Andrew Grant]

Tyrrell made 220 at the 2012 Nationals but he didn't attend any 220 event since including two local 220 events in the last 12 months (Ab open prov 2013 and Mayhem 2012) I think he walks around a little over. I assume he did not make 220 at ManSask or FitiiFight when only 200+ was offered.

Mark attend both those events but pulled heavies not at 220's

Under the system I applied, you are not eligible for a class if you haven't made weight since the last time that class was offered locally (700km)

This system is onerous to those walking around over their weight to make their class when it is offered locally, but it ensures they are making themselves available to challengers at that weight.


The idea of using 220/220+ works well because many of the best overall guys are about 230 and can probably make 220 but usually don't. This allows the heavy list to have all the best talent and the 220 list not to be diluted by guys that are not regularly competing at that weight.

[Eric Roussin]

I understand the rules you applied, but I still think Tyrrell should be ranked in the 220 class. This is where he'd compete if he was at an event and the class was offered. I don't think he shouldn't be penalized if he's attending an event that only has a 199+ class.