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Sept 20, 2008 18:34:13 GMT -5
Post by kennett on Sept 20, 2008 18:34:13 GMT -5
It is proven that arginine increases night time GH production. Better do some studying on this fact. There are many supplements on the market that are missleading so when in doubt keep with protein, casien at night and whey during the day.
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Sept 20, 2008 19:06:03 GMT -5
Post by Todd Schreiner on Sept 20, 2008 19:06:03 GMT -5
guess ill find out for sure how well nitrix works i just ordered 360 tabs.now if the new gym would only open in town i can get back to training..if they ever get it open
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Sept 21, 2008 3:38:49 GMT -5
Post by Brian Kehler on Sept 21, 2008 3:38:49 GMT -5
It is proven that arginine increases night time GH production. Better do some studying on this fact. Some companies will scrounge up data showing that arginine can elevate growth hormone levels. While we’ve known for the past decade that this applies only to HUGE doses infused into the bloodstream, many people will be unaware of this... Now, there's evidence that ingesting 22 grams per day (in a 200 pound man) of arginine aspartate increased nocturnal growth hormone output. The peak GH output during sleep was increased by an average of 60%. BUT, only five subjects were studied and one of them had four times the peak output of the others. Without that one oddball subject, the average peak was cut in half! (peak measurements, not total levels.) Again.... prolactin increases by an average of 75%. This hormone is associated with decreased Testosterone. Five grams of arginine consumed during exercise actually decreases the resistance exercise-induced increase in GH output. Maybe you can do some studying as well... Marcell TJ, Taaffe DR, Hawkins SA, Tarpenning KM, Pyka G, Kohlmeier L, Wiswell RA, Marcus R. Oral arginine does not stimulate basal or augment exercise-induced GH secretion in either young or old adults. J Gerontol A Biol Sci Med Sci. 1999 Aug;54(8):M395-9 Hishikawa K, Nakaki T, Tsuda M, Esumi H, Ohshima H, Suzuki H, Saruta T, Kato R. Effect of systemic L-arginine administration on hemodynamics and nitric oxide release in man. Jpn Heart J. 1992 Jan;33(1):41-8 Kurz S, Harrison DG. Insulin and the arginine paradox. J Clin Invest. 1997 Feb 1;99(3):369-70
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Sept 21, 2008 11:31:51 GMT -5
Post by Terry Palaschak on Sept 21, 2008 11:31:51 GMT -5
Well you don't have to get huffy about it. So in other words all I have to do is eat healthy foods, get lots of sleep, train like mad and I will be stronger. I guess I will have to give it a try.
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Sept 21, 2008 11:38:20 GMT -5
Post by Mr. Espey on Sept 21, 2008 11:38:20 GMT -5
TRAIN, LIVE CLEAN, SUPPLEMENT WELL... no booze, no junk food, etc. etc. etc.... too many armwrestlers do too many things that are counter productive to their goal.
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Sept 21, 2008 12:56:42 GMT -5
Post by Brian Kehler on Sept 21, 2008 12:56:42 GMT -5
I'm not getting huffy. Feel feel to spend all the money you want. That just means that their advertising is working.
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Sept 21, 2008 20:31:29 GMT -5
Post by kennett on Sept 21, 2008 20:31:29 GMT -5
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Sept 21, 2008 21:48:23 GMT -5
Post by Brian Kehler on Sept 21, 2008 21:48:23 GMT -5
And?
Of course I got the information from somewhere. If you want to argue with David Barr be my guest. It was originally published on T-nation, you just did the same thing.. The information is available.
I have read the actual studies as well, and the information is there...
I never said arginine wasn't beneficial in itself, but marketed as overpriced nitric oxide boosters, you're wasting your money.. that is my point.. why spend $80 when you could spend $10 if you insist on taking it for whatever reason?
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Sept 22, 2008 20:35:39 GMT -5
Post by kennett on Sept 22, 2008 20:35:39 GMT -5
I actually own a couple of books by David Barr, and his theories are great and his training methods are in depth. I trust David Barr as he is well respected in his field. The problem I have is people telling others that certain products don't work and then back pedal and say things like "I never said arginine wasn't beneficial". The question Todd was asking is, has anyone taken Nitrix or a NO product and do they work? Each individual will have their own experiences with certain products, some will work and some won't. Is it wrong to tell someone a product is real junk or "you might as well eat cardboard" when in reality it's their belief in the product that made them able to achieve their goals? Supplement companies have preyed on the finances and hope of the public for years but hey, didn't we all get motivated to get bigger,stronger, and faster when we saw their adds? Yes there are a lot of useless supplements(glorified placibo's) but amazingly our minds can tell us otherwise and actually get us to where we want to be. Then there are supplements that are proven to work, protein, amino's, etc through scientific methods.
I'm not trying to cause tension Kehler,but people deserve to hear and learn about the positives and negatives of supplements.
So Todd, basically,human chemistry has so many variables, what works for one person may not for the other. All I can say is that NO continues to work for me, I'm stronger mentally and physically on than off.
I'm done with this subject.
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Sept 23, 2008 19:14:54 GMT -5
Post by Todd Schreiner on Sept 23, 2008 19:14:54 GMT -5
thanks guys
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