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Post by austinslater on Aug 8, 2006 23:42:22 GMT -5
Im curious if my thoughts on the hook are correct or not. Biceps: are primarily usefull in a defensive position and is usually the last think your opponent has to go through before pinning you. So if your biceps are strong enough you have a much better oppurtunity to hold them off and get to an offensive position.
Hand/wrist: The wrist flexors and the hand are the most important for setting the hook. Once a match is in a deep hook they play a much lesser role.
Lat,Tricep,delt,chest: These muscles come into play in most offensive moves. Once your hand/wrist have forced someone inside its usually the chest thats used for sidepressure and the lats, tris etc are used for the pin.
Am I way off base here? Are the biceps used in an offensive move? Again Im relatively new to the sport and this is how I understand the hook to work but not sure if I have it right or not. Looking forward to your thoughts on the hook. Thanks!
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Post by Mr. Espey on Aug 9, 2006 22:23:31 GMT -5
Sounds like a reasonable analogy... of course there are variations.
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Post by austinslater on Aug 10, 2006 1:50:08 GMT -5
In a hook and drag type hook is the bicep used in an offensive way or just defensive?
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Post by Will Sarty on Aug 10, 2006 3:50:31 GMT -5
I would ask Chris Gobby that one LOL
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Post by John Milne on Aug 10, 2006 16:05:22 GMT -5
I find that I do use the bicep offensively in a hook and drag type move. Come to think of it... I think I use my bicep quite a bit in a hook as I am trying to bring the opponent to my side of the table.
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Post by Brian Kehler on Aug 10, 2006 17:33:50 GMT -5
people hook differently.... look at brzenk compared to devon compared so someone like rustam..... all different.... all using different muscles for different aspects based on elbow position and arm position in relation to their body.
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Post by chrisgobby on Aug 11, 2006 18:37:51 GMT -5
in a drag hook, it is primarily the lat. that will gain position across the pad (to pin). However it is the role of the bicept and outer pectoral to stabilize your arm at a 90 degree and keep your elbow tight to your body (as you drag). And if one of these groups are weak in respect to the other the drag will open up and get ugly fast. Your only as strong as your weakest link! It is hard to find two hookers that pull exactly alike. Although they may resemble eachother mechanically on the table, most pullers (compared to eachother) have predominably stronger muscles groups, therefor stronger and more comfortable in certain positions.
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Post by chrisgobby on Aug 12, 2006 1:19:56 GMT -5
hey Ryan, ever pull Greg Boyes? That man had a monster drag. Straight back. I beleive he won the worlds with that one move.
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Post by Mr. Espey on Aug 12, 2006 1:55:10 GMT -5
I have pulled him many times... and yes... very strong drag hook.
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Post by austinslater on Aug 12, 2006 23:08:20 GMT -5
Ryan and others,
what is the most important muscle group for a drag type hook like Boyes? He had monster forearms which Im sure helped him set the hook, but is it biceps and lats that are the most important for a drag style hook? Jacob Abbott also has a good dragging hook.
Austin
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