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Post by drdixonglory on Sept 27, 2011 2:35:03 GMT -5
hi everybody, i felt that i have great difficulty in controling loose gripped opponents who do toproll.. can anybody share any tips to deal with this situation? thanks.
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Post by Mr. Espey on Sept 27, 2011 21:22:02 GMT -5
They are gripping you loosely because they believe that they are faster or have better reaction time. Also... speed is a great tool against superior strength. You would defend with position depending where you are strong or where you think your opponent will hit.
What we call "speed" in armwrestling is more reaction time than ability to accelerate. That is whey the loose grip is used... it would be like having two race cars and one driver is just much quicker at stepping on the gas pedal when the light turns green. To allow a load would be like the other driver having his foot on the gas but riding the break at the same time.
The layman will see people get smoked and think "wow he is fast" but it is really easy to appear "fast" when you are so much more explosive and powerful than your opponent.
I have been called a "fast" heavyweight... when I was first starting out I made a tape of "ready-go" with different cadence and used to use that to train for reaction.
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Post by drdixonglory on Sept 28, 2011 2:04:02 GMT -5
thanku Espey for the explanations. so what i am planning is 1. start believing that speed hitters are better trained than me. 2. start training to hit faster.
what about gripping loose to a loose gripping opponent ?
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Post by Mr. Espey on Sept 28, 2011 7:07:34 GMT -5
I think you are missing the point a bit.
You can also assume that a loose gripping opponent is wanting the strap.
Why would you grip loosely on an opponent who is doing that to you? What would you hope to accomplish? Slip?
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Post by drdixonglory on Sept 28, 2011 9:22:07 GMT -5
I think you are missing the point a bit. You can also assume that a loose gripping opponent is wanting the strap. Why would you grip loosely on an opponent who is doing that to you? What would you hope to accomplish? Slip? exactly ,what i had in mind is slip and a strap may help me ,not yet tried though.
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Post by cpshuffle on Sept 28, 2011 11:19:44 GMT -5
I'm a newbie, but I have found it difficult to stay tight with an opponent who grips up loosely. I end up pulling him over to my side too much and the refs are always pushing me back. This causes me to lose focus and lose quickly
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Post by Jeff Miller on Sept 28, 2011 17:50:50 GMT -5
Could be starting loose to fire the muscles quicker for better reaction time, like Ryan says, as well as allowing your hand to move to better relative position to the opponent's hand off the start (no friction from the grip to allow sliding up and back, or sideways over the thumb hooking). A guy from Stony Plain - Ken Hurd that I armwrestled back in June was a master at this; explosive start fingers, so loose at the start - very hard to stop before the pin, unless you beat him to the go.
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Post by drdixonglory on Sept 29, 2011 10:41:53 GMT -5
A guy from Stony Plain - Ken Hurd that I armwrestled back in June was a master at this; explosive start fingers, so loose at the start - very hard to stop before the pin, unless you beat him to the go. so Jeff, have u noticed ,how this guy performs in national events ? and how the expert pullers defend this loose gripped person.?
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Post by drdixonglory on Sept 29, 2011 10:50:52 GMT -5
You would defend with position depending where you are strong or where you think your opponent will hit. can u please explain more on this sentence Espey? most often these guys go for a low hand toproll. and how to defend that if my wrist and biceps are good strength wise ?
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Post by Mr. Espey on Oct 1, 2011 17:55:14 GMT -5
Ken Herd is a many time Canadian National Champion.
What is "good strength wise"? Should I take that to mean you have reached a level of strength that you are happy with and will now maintain?
There must either be a weak spot in there or your position is wrong to defend. You can block the low hand toproll and variations by your arm position off the start but unless you have developed some good static strength in these positions you risk injury.
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