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Post by Mr. Espey on Nov 15, 2012 21:09:46 GMT -5
I think the only way is offer the spots in the different weight classes in order of placement in the tournament with the larger class.
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Post by Adam Koenig on Nov 16, 2012 1:15:09 GMT -5
Who says you have to go to worlds?  Not to be a kill joy..or whatever... But to me you have to be able to be crushing the elite of north America in the opens to even consider going to worlds to contend. Sure, you can go for the experience, but honestly think of how much harder worlds would get with less weight classes. Jm2c, and for the record I am all for less classes. |
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Post by Jeff Miller on Nov 16, 2012 11:46:49 GMT -5
Thanks for bringing this dead horse back to life Ryan!  ; totally agree, the weight classes have to be reduced. From my experience running West Ed tournament; 165, 187, 220, 220+ is too large of a gap to be fair IMO. It's OK for the sake of fun, but if it's getting serious, smaller increments are needed - especially the 187-220 lb (33lbs!) I think the smartest thing would be to copy(with some changes) another group's weight class breakdown, like Powerlifting, Weightlifting, UFC, etc. as we discussed before. This adds legitimacy to the choice. |
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Post by Jeff Miller on Nov 16, 2012 16:53:09 GMT -5
| WAF (Armwrestling) | FILA (Olympic Wrestling) | IPF (Powerlifting) | Olympic Weightlifting | Nemiroff Armwrestling | | 50 to 55 kg (110 to 121 lbs) | | 56 kg (123 lb) | | | 60kg (132lbs) | 60 kg (132 lbs) | 58kg(127lbs) | 62 kg (137 lb) | 63kg (139lbs) | | 65kg (143lbs) | 66 kg (145 lbs) | 66 kg(145 lbs) | | 70kg(154lbs) | | | 69 kg (152 lb) | 70kg (154 lbs) | | 75kg(165 lbs) | 74 kg (163 lbs) | 74 kg (163 lbs) | | 80kg(176lbs) | | | 77 kg (170 lb) | 78kg (172 lbs) | | 85kg(187 lbs) | 84kg (185 lbs) | 83kg (183 lbs) | 85 kg (187 lb) | 86kg (189lbs) | | 90kg(198 lbs) | 96kg (211 lbs) | 93 kg (205 lbs) | 94 kg (207 lb) | 95kg (209 lbs) | | 100kg(220 lbs) | | 105kg (231 lbs) | 105 kg (231 lb) | 95kg+ (209 lbs+) | | 110kg (242 lbs) | 120kg (264 lbs) | 120kg(264 lbs) | 105kg+(231 lbs+) | | 110+(242 lbs+) | | 120kg+ (264 lbs+) |
This forum table maker is brutal, so I'll just write the UFC classes 125lbs (57kg) 135lbs (61kg) 145lbs (66kg) 155lbs (70kg) 170lbs (77kg) 185lbs (84kg) 205lbs (93kg) 265lbs (120kg) To me the UFC heavyweight class divisions make no sense - there is too large of a gap between 205lbs and 265lbs, and your capped at 265??!! Stupid. 205lbs and down they are OK, but would equal an 8 or 9 class system if modified appropriately, depending if you scrap the 125lb weight class or not. |
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Post by Jeff Miller on Nov 16, 2012 17:16:40 GMT -5
Nemiroff + 105kg - yes (7 classes), or IPF minus 127lbs and minus 264lbs classes - yes (6 classes). OR Olympic wrestling minus the 121lbs minus 264 lbs plus 242lbs (7 classes). OR Olympic Weightlifting minus 123lbs (7 classes). See the pattern? These all make sense to me for fair competition and are all very similar. I personally will fit into any of these class breakdowns as will most people.
Weigh-ins on day of meet - yes, love it.
How the f' does this talk go anywhere instead of in circles until a fizzled out death? Let's figure it out! Ryan and Eric - what do you guys want to do?
Gord and I were discussing running all nationals classes at Provincials (a real qualifier) and then an after tournament fun tournament with a 3 large classes (because many pullers could be champ by default). This is OK, but the classes are too big at Nationals, so it makes it impossible to hold a not-silly-looking qualifier.
If the classes were more realistically sized, we could actually use (the bulk of) nationals classes at local tournaments like Provincials - what a novel idea!
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Post by Jeff Miller on Nov 16, 2012 17:43:02 GMT -5
It sure would be nice if the CAWF board members, got into the 21st century discussed this sh*$ online other than A.D. and Rick Pinkney! No wonder armwrestling is stuck in the stone age in Canada. Thanks to everyone who cares (Ryan, Eric, everybody else talking and reading on here)!
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Post by Adam Koenig on Nov 16, 2012 19:12:12 GMT -5
I think a hybrid of the Nemiroff and Olympic classes would be the fairest and most competitive classes. Nemiroff plus Olympic heavies.
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Post by dsteff on Nov 16, 2012 19:31:31 GMT -5
I think Eric or someone had done an average of the pullers per class over a period of time at the Nationals . Then you can adjust the classes based on attendance trends? If you are averaging 1 or 2 in that class its time to change that class , you can merge or eliminate.
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Post by Will Sarty on Nov 16, 2012 20:53:19 GMT -5
I love the Olympic Weightlifting minus the 1st class. That leaves 7.
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Post by Terry Palaschak on Nov 16, 2012 22:36:17 GMT -5
I agree with Will. I'm guessing he weighs about 154 every day of the week so it suits him fine. And yes there are too many classes. It would be a tough bridge to gap going from Nationals to Worlds. I'm thinking you would try to make weight for whatever class you would like to compete at worlds but then you would compete in the modified weight classes at nationals and then base the team on placement and weight for worlds. Sound confusing it should because it barely makes sense to me and I wrote it.
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Not to be a kill joy..or whatever... But to me you have to be able to be crushing the elite of north America in the opens to even consider going to worlds to contend. Sure, you can go for the experience, but honestly think of how much harder worlds would get with less weight classes. Jm2c, and for the record I am all for less classes.
; totally agree, the weight classes have to be reduced. From my experience running West Ed tournament; 165, 187, 220, 220+ is too large of a gap to be fair IMO. It's OK for the sake of fun, but if it's getting serious, smaller increments are needed - especially the 187-220 lb (33lbs!)
