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Post by The Grippler on Jul 12, 2012 19:26:05 GMT -5
Should we start thinking about having the Nationals every year in Ontario? No disrespect to other provinces here but Ontario's provincial championships have had tremendous participation and a high caliber of pullers. I think it is unfair to ask promoters of other provinces to encore all the cost of a nationals when it's a total shot in the dark if people will actually come. If T.V. stations like Rogers could count on two events a year in Ontario to be top notch then provincials & nationals would be a golden opportunity.
If no other province were to come to nationals then Ontario clubs could ware there club uniforms and it would still look good from a viewers standpoint rather than white on black every match.
Plus for the Upper echelon of pullers across the Country who spent all kinds of money to pull one or two other people for a national championship. You would know that coming to Ontario you'll be able to pull a top caliber puller.
Understanding the Quebec has a allot of new arm wrestlers up and coming there are also n close proximity to Ontario and would most likely get some solid #'s.
Again No disrespect to the other provinces but the last two Provincials had many classes that were deeper and more #'s than some Nationals.
And is this a topic that could be debated at the board and who do I speak with to address this issue. The Pres of my Organization OAA or to the CAWF board members? Thank you for reading. I am not trying to argue or fight just making a point?
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Post by Anthony Dall'Antonia on Jul 12, 2012 20:08:27 GMT -5
Good points Ian.. We discussed this at the nationals AGM and decided it is better to move it from province to province.
Your points all make sense if you are from Ontario.
Here are some views of someone not in Ontario (I will use myself as an example)
- If nationals is in same province every year it gets boring, as a tourist & puller I want to see/visit various provinces & see more of Canada then just Ontario.
- As a promoter/referee/puller I may want to host a nationals myself, I wouldn't get the chance to if I don't live in Ontario.
- If nationals moves from east to west every year it gives equal opportunity for people who can't spend as much $ to travel. (This year people in BC could afford nationals but perhaps next year they won't be able to)
- There is a team trophy won every year at nationals. it would be won by only Ontario if we made that change. Let's give every province an equal opportunity to bring a large team & win it.
- Because I hosted this year, it made our Provincials larger then usual & was a great boost for armwrestling in BC overall & brought out new pullers as well as some retired pullers.
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Post by The Grippler on Jul 12, 2012 21:23:08 GMT -5
Anthony thanks for the quick response.
- If nationals is in same province every year it gets boring, as a tourist & puller I want to see/visit various provinces & see more of Canada then just Ontario.
Perhaps But there are many diffrent and Large cities in Ontario that even I haven't seen.
But that being said I am thinking about the pulling experience and preperations for the worlds. Classes that are not represented well at Nats are not true tests for Worlds. Though I have not been to worlds I am speculating here.
- As a promoter/referee/puller I may want to host a nationals myself, I wouldn't get the chance to if I don't live in Ontario.
Agreed! It might be a major deterant for promoters/referee/puller. Again there could be a claus where every third year or so a promoter who really wants to have nats would submit his plan and then have three years to prep for an amazing event that by that time people would be rareing to go to a B.C. or Nova Scotia.
- If nationals moves from east to west every year it gives equal opportunity for people who can't spend as much $ to travel. (This year people in BC could afford nationals but perhaps next year they won't be able to)
Affordable? yes it is an issue and Ontario is very central. And unless I am way off base here Nationals tho considered amature is a representation of the very best in the Country. I think that Nationals in Ontario will weed out the none competitive pullers of other Provinces and it will make the superior pullers of the other provinces to start makeing Nationals a priority again. If they hope to get a shot at the top guy's in there Division. Fair doesn't always equal desired result and that is superior representation of our nation at worlds. Unless I am off base here as well.
- There is a team trophy won every year at nationals. it would be won by only Ontario if we made that change. Let's give every province an equal opportunity to bring a large team & win it.
Not revelant really. But I am sure there could be a formula like top 5 of each provice is calculated. So if Ontario has 15 finalist they could only receive top 5 points with a clever way
for tie breaking.
Because I hosted this year, it made our Provincials larger then usual & was a great boost for armwrestling in BC overall & brought out new pullers as well as some retired pullers
This is the most valid point. However i feel that useing the Nations top event for a recruting tool is a bit of a cope out superior organization and recruting drives through out the year should be the driving force behind increasing numbers.
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Post by Mr. Espey on Jul 12, 2012 21:27:46 GMT -5
I see both perspectives, but as a pure sportsman it does actually make sense to hold it in one central location.
I would say that as long as people from east to west are willing to bid and hold they event that they should have that opportunity. Having said that, is anyone in the west looking into a bid for 2014?
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Post by The Grippler on Jul 12, 2012 21:32:18 GMT -5
Obviously useing Nationals to attract armwrestlers provincialy is a good stratagy but shouldn't be the b-all.
The Superbowl always attracs alot of locals with the few diehard fans that make the pilgramage.
I.E. Locals of superbowl = Local pullers. Die hard fans = Elite out of province armwrestlers.
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Post by Anthony Dall'Antonia on Jul 12, 2012 22:14:20 GMT -5
Ryan, not sure in 2014 yet..
Actually the CAWF is going to be funding nationals from now on.
Basically there will be a suggested cost, lets say as an example $12,500
So CAWF would cover this amount & anything over that would be up to the host.
Lise will be working out the amount so we are waiting to see what happens with this.
I think there will be more people willing to host in the future.
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Post by The Grippler on Jul 12, 2012 22:31:44 GMT -5
Thats Great news AD for the promoters standpoint.
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Post by mwiggins on Jul 12, 2012 22:31:44 GMT -5
ontario has more tournaments in a year then all other provinces combined.
maybe ontario will be buying everyone planes ticket to go to nationals every year?
greycup, stanley cup, nba finals, mlb, etc. always hold their finals in different places everyear.
enough said.
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Post by Eric Roussin on Jul 12, 2012 23:21:00 GMT -5
The location of Nationals will continue to depend primarily on who's willing to step up to organize them. It's been several years since more than one person showed an interest in the same year. In 2011, no one put in a bid for the 2013 Nationals. Luckily Lori and Joanne stepped up to the plate and will be hosting the event in Timmins. This year, no one has bid on the 2014 Nationals. So even if a decision was made to have the event in Ontario each year, we would still need to count on people wanting to host them. It really does require a significant amount of time and money (although it looks like the financial risk may be going down).
In Ontario, we do offer incentives to regular competitors (e.g. free entries to Provincials and Nationals) but we are nowhere close to having the funds to pay for competitors' flights.
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Post by Dan Gallo on Jul 12, 2012 23:22:29 GMT -5
I agree with Matt a guy busts his ass all year just to be able afford to make it to a few tournaments not really fair for the rest of the provinces if their team members cant afford to go.
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